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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:56 pm    Post subject: Questions about changing the posting limit Reply with quote

There has been active discussion in abmad (yet again) of increasing the posting limits of aba/abma. At this point I'm neither opposed nor in favor -- maybe it is time for a change -- but I thought I'd mention it here for those who don't frequent the Usenet discussion group. And just to lead it off, I'll C&P my last message there along with the text to which it was a follow-up (being too lazy to reformulate it)....
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:54:06 GMT, HiEv <spam@someoneelse.invalid> wrote:

>inc wrote:
>> HiEv wrote:
>> >I'm for 500 MB right now. That covers two 233 MB videos per day with a
>> >little wiggle room. It can always be raised again later if need be.
>>
>> Any thing between 400 & 500M is not commented upon at all now, so I
>> wouldn't worry about that, just because there are so many posts of two
>> 233M files.
>
>If it's not commented on and done by a number of people as you say then
>it sounds like it would be safe to make it official.
>
>What are your preferences?

Hehe... no one _ever_ asks that, lol. They just assume the current value is somehow personally precious to me because I post those *advisories* ... ;p

I'm not really locked into anything personally; I just prefer consistent expectations among posters of what might raise a red-flag and what won't, and right now that's around 400M give or take 50 or 60M of *slosh*. If I'm going to post *advisory* information to those who flood (something I've been doing here, though not so formally as now, since the Fall of '99), what triggers that message has to be the same for everyone -- I don't want to be placed in the position of flagging someone who can turn around and point to 15 other posts of a similar volume that weren't flagged. And there will always be some *slosh*, wherever the boundary is set -- I just don't have time to sit and count the size of every post to the byte, but I'd prefer to err on the side of generosity.

As to what it might be changed to -- if changed at all -- you've got to consider what's normally being posted. Right now the max would generally be two of those 233M file (sized to fit 3 per CD -- I'll ignore DVD burners for now). An increase to 500M or even 600M wouldn't help those posters at all (100M of plus *slosh* is too much, lol), though obviously those posting at a four-per-CD rate (~175M) would be helped by the former, if not the latter. Thus, if a jump in the aba/abma standard was to be made (and I'm not necessarily advocating it), I'd prefer seeing it at 700M/day ... maybe that might be too much for some local ISPs; the proof of that would be soon evident -- but no other number makes sense to me.

...opinions/thoughts/flames?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just the sound of "700MB/day" sounds like too much. But, if I stop and think about it, so many other newsgroups use this as a guideline - one CD per day.

I guess I would say, that though I wouldn't say I encourage it, I wouldn't complain about it either.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kind of cringe too, but 700M doesn't mean everyone would do that -- right now many post just one per day when they could do two.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because I'm no longer a regular poster in ABMA since defecting to ABSJ I realize my opinion may not matter much, but I think ABMA's suggested posting limit of 400MB is rather outdated.

400MB is nothing now and like xo mentioned many other groups have a limit of 700MB or more. It's not uncommon to see full DVDs posted all in one day in some groups.

ABSJ has no FAQ and the charter has no mention of posting limits, so I set a limit on myself of ~900MB. Less than 1GB basically. I'm currently posting three files that total 774MB including the PAR2s and RAR recovery records.

I get no complaints about the amount I post. Then again I know it's also a much smaller group.

As for people with only 24 hour retention on their ISP news-servers, I don't see why the FAQ should cater to them.

If you have only 24 hour retention and/or crappy/mediocre completion that's your problem and you should subscribe to a premium NSP like myself, (inc), xo and so many others do.

I get most of my anime off Bit Torrent now so in the end ABMA's posting limit doesn't really matter to me.

Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.

Btw, if anyone here likes really big hula-hoops go check out ABSJ and look for the subject-line:
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some later stuff from that thread....

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>On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:27:46 GMT, inc <inc@thedojo.bogus> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>As to what it might be changed to -- if changed at all -- you've got
>>to consider what's normally being posted. Right now the max would
>>generally be two of those 233M file (sized to fit 3 per CD -- I'll
>>ignore DVD burners for now). An increase to 500M or even 600M
>>wouldn't help those posters at all (100M of plus *slosh* is too much,
>>lol), though obviously those posting at a four-per-CD rate (~175M)
>>would be helped by the former, if not the latter. Thus, if a jump in
>>the aba/abma standard was to be made (and I'm not necessarily
>>advocating it), I'd prefer seeing it at 700M/day ... maybe that might
>>be too much for some local ISPs; the proof of that would be soon
>>evident -- but no other number makes sense to me.
>
>I'd say the same thing-- if a chaneg is going to be made to the
>standard (which I think is probably appropriate, given how much
>technology should have progressed in most areas since the guidelines
>were originally written), I'd think it should be changed to around
>700MB/day-- it would allow for three 233MB episodes, or one CD.
>
>Just my thoughts.
>
>Regards,
> -Melchior

On third thought, I'd be supportive of a 700M limit. Maybe it's time
-- certainly it would make life easier for me personally, as I
wouldn't have to post so many of those "break this up into a multiday"
advisories. And, remember, if the limit goes to 700M, it doesn't
mean you _have_ to post that much -- there are still a lot of pluses
in staying to a one or two ep/day rate. If nothing else, it makes
life a lot easier for a poster who is going to support their post with
fills, added blocks, etc.

Incidently, I wouldn't attempt to reach any conclusions from what
comments are made later in this thread for at least a week, what with
the US holiday weekend, folks heading for college, etc. -- you've got
to give this proposal sometime to *cook* -- so, please, don't proceed
to flood under the current cap (make my life easier, lol).


Hi NB... I find BT and the ng's compliment each other, with neither really being a replacement for the other.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voting on a new aba/abma positng limit is going on in the abmad ng under a message by HiEv -- if you're interested, make your wishes known Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MB, Votes, Cum. Per.
400, 10, 100%
500, 17, 80.39%
600, 2, 47.06%
700, 22, 43.14%

As it the *winner* is the cumulative vote that is the first over 75% (for example, a vote for 600M is also a vote for 400M and 500M), 500M has been holding on solidly, though 400M (no change) has been gaining. 700M has continued to lose % since the start of the vote.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you hadn't caught it, 500M won the posting limit vote rather decisively.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an unusual way to count votes. I don't know what the final tally was, but according to the above snapshot, 700 was the plurality winner, but according to the scoring method, 500 would've won, if I understand correctly.

Is this way of counting documented anywhere?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the original vote message by HiEv. It was never typified as being a simple plurality, but weighted by the sense that a given vote would be the max acceptable by the voter. Yes, a simple vote would have had 700M winning, but then you would have ignored the fact that more then half the folks voted for 500M or lower.

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