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I find animeusenet.org useful
Yes
81%
 81%  [ 13 ]
No
6%
 6%  [ 1 ]
Never heard of it
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Cowboy Wally
12%
 12%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 16

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Gorunova



Joined: 10 Feb 2002
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Location: Burnaby, B.C., Canada

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 10:29 pm    Post subject: animeusenet.org policy Reply with quote

Matt, xo and I usually discuss these things on a private message board, but I thought I'd try a bit of glasnost to see what happens.

In the "comments" column we've been listing abnormalities of posts. For example, when PAR was new, we noted when people included PARs. Now that pretty much everyone does, we don't bother anymore.

Now we're noting when people use yEnc, and when people use WinRAR 3.0. Those are the most recent bones of contention.

It now appears that yEnc is accepted. Agent supports it, and most of the arguments have died down. I see yEnc appearing in the pr0n groups, which I take to be an indicator of widespread acceptance. Wink

So I plan to stop noting the use of yEnc in my part of the database maintenance, unless someone says something to make me reconsider.

Shall we stop noting use of rar3 when it comes out of beta? It might be forever until it's ported.
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matt



Joined: 11 Feb 2002
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Location: Cleveland Ohayo

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2002 10:37 am    Post subject: animeusenet.org policy Reply with quote

Guessing from the lack of response for this topic I'm guessing most people don't care if its in rar3 but personaly think its a good thing to log, and I will continue to do it (if i can remember).

I'm glad to see the majority of votes in "I find it useful" but I would be curious to know why that one vote finds animeusenet.org not useful, we can't improve without suggestions.

As long as we are on this topic of 'usefulness' what about the other site features, reviews, favorite fansub of the week, the 'test you skill game'. I'v trited to make the site as interactive as possible allowing everyone to contribute to the content. But the site is coming up on its 1yr anniversary and visitor interaction rating has remained pretty much non-existent. But that is totally understandable, most people coming to the site are just trying to find out what was posted yesterday, and don't care about the other stuff.

Gorunova wrote:

It now appears that yEnc is accepted. Agent supports it, and most of the arguments have died down. I see yEnc appearing in the pr0n groups, which I take to be an indicator of widespread acceptance. Wink


What! There are porn groups on usenet!?!? Wink
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Keikai



Joined: 18 Feb 2002
Posts: 178
Location: Miami, FL

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2002 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Gorunova and matt:
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Shall we stop noting use of rar3 when it comes out of beta? It might be forever until it's ported.

In my opinion, you should continue logging that (as a sign of incomplete acceptance on the groups) at least until it's out of beta. Honestly, I don't think its a terribly good thing in general until its available for Mac and *nix so if you chose to log it until then I'd certainly agree, though I share your skeptical outlook on that.

I assume its the new internal format of the rars that's the problem since a script to rename the rars using the new volume naming scheme to the traditional one should be easy. As WinRAR 2.9 could supposedly read the new internal format, can the latest version of the non-Windows rar tools? I'm assuming no, but I thought I should be better informed for info for the FAQ.

As for the other features on animeusenet.org, I like them but admit I don't tend to use them. I NEVER read reviews before I watch anything (see my rant in the spoilers thread to understand why). The game is really cool but I never feel confident about my answer so I just don't do it. Embarassed

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What! There are porn groups on usenet!?!?

No, not really. Usenet denizens simply have a heightened interest in sex education. Those are, in fact, stealth sex-ed groups. Rolling Eyes

And since I haven't done it yet, I'd like to offer a sincere thank you to the two of you and xo for all your excellent work both there and here.


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xo
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2002 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the user side of things, I just want to relate an example of how I found animeusenet.org useful. A few days ago, I was organizing my files when I accidentally typed rm Rave-* instead of mv Rave-*. I lost 1 GB of Rave episodes, about 6 total. Do'h! Stupid fingers!

So I went to the site and looked up Rave and noted when various Rave eps had been posted. Based on that info, I went to easynews's web interface and looked them up and was able to replace all the lost eps (luckily, they were all "recent" posts). I probably could've done this w/o the database, but it made it easier and I was able to get a sense of whether I was up shit creek or not much more quickly.

As for rar3 and yEnc, I continue to log them because it's important to certain classes of users. The rar3 notation is significant for Mac users because they do not have a way to decode rar3 format. Now, though for the most part rar3 format files are self-evident (part01.rar instead of r00), it's not that big a deal, it should help Mac users determine what files may be essentially unavailable to them.

The same for yEnc. I use a program called nget to get most of my binaries and it doesn't have yEnc built-in. I just use an external decoder, which is no big deal for the most part. But, I need to know in advance whether or not it's in yEnc format so that I can have nget not try to decode it and leave the temp files.

Both are pretty sketchy reasons, but since the info is usually in the subjectlines it self (as opposed to PARs, which required looking for additional files and was slightly more work), I'm gonna keep logging the info for a little while longer. At least until penetration is consistently greater than 50%, which it isn't yet (at least in abmar) and which is when I stopped the PAR notation.

-xo
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Chung



Joined: 04 Mar 2002
Posts: 79
Location: North Carolina, USA

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2002 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a note of animeusnet.org usefulness for me, I came across a couple of eps where it was one past what I had. ie: Prince of Tennis ep8 I had.. just saw ep10 posted and didn't have ep9. Thought it to bed somewhat funny that I would've missed it, so I checked the site for posting. RoadRunner had a spell where whole eps didn't make it through for a few days.. so I had this sort of thing happen a few times so far.

Also helps in that since EasyNews web interface doesn't seem to be completely yenc friendly yet (I've noticed some yenc stuff not there since they implemented), I could check to see how long ago it was posted and pull from their NNTP if it wasn't so long ago.

Haven't noticed there were other features.. I usually shoot straight for the search. I'll go check those others out now Wink

Thanks for the site and work. It's definitely appreciated by me.
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Gorunova



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2002 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I'll continue to note yEnc until I get sick of it again. Confused

As for rar3, I expect to continue noting it at least until it's out of beta, but I'm betting that as long as you use the "store" compression level and the old file naming scheme (or rename the files), they will be decodable by older versions. We need someone who cares to conduct an experiment to determine the compatibilities between WinRAR 3.0 and the unRARing tools for Mac and Linux.

My user-mode thoughts on the animeusenet features: I like the quiz and occasionally play it. As someone else said, I don't like spoilers. However, we try to avoid spoilers in our reviews. What I DO like is being able to see the artwork of a new series and find out what sort of story it is before downloading it. I think the reviews would be useful to me if there were one for every series, and if they were written promptly (same-day) upon the first posting of a new series.

As for why I haven't been writing more reviews myself, well, the standard default excuse: busy. Also I have the above doubts about their utility, especially when Google turns up existing info on most new series just as easily. Sad
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Keikai



Joined: 18 Feb 2002
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2002 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone else *smirk* wrote:

We need someone who cares to conduct an experiment to determine the compatibilities between WinRAR 3.0 and the unRARing tools for Mac and Linux.

If you are unable to find anyone with multiple OSes to do this, I'd be happy to help. Currently I'm only running Windows boxes, so I can't do the whole process, but I could make some small, sample rarsets with WinRAR 3.0b5 at different compression levels and put them on my FTP, email them, or post them to ABT, for those with the other OSes to test on.

I have another, kindof strange, idea, but I'll probably email you and xo about it at a later date. It's probably not a good idea, though, so I think the testing is a very good first step. Furthermore, if it does indeed work with certain compression settings, I'll explain the situation in the FAQ which, in turn, gives a better basis for friendly recommendations to posters.
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xo
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2002 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using the beta Linux client for 3.0 and it works fine with all the latest posts in that format. The Mac client, however, hasn't been updated since September 2000 or some such so it doesn't like the new format.

I'm not sure how it'll handle files if they are named the old way using "store" as Gorunova mentioned. I can test if you want to set up some sample archives, K.

-xo
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Keikai



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2002 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alrighty, thats good to know regarding Linux support. Is that particular client open source? I assume not but was curious so I could gauge support for things like FreeBSD and other *nix flavors.

As for Mac support testing, I just emailed a package of archive sets compressed with all 7 types of compression allowed in WinRAR 3.0b5. Hopefully, the store method will work and perhaps one of the compression types. It was a bigger file than I had expected so let me know if you need to get it by different means (FTP).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2002 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to Keikai for sending me a test suite of archives that were created using various rar3 settings. Here are the results on Mac, using the latest MacRAR (2.5.1 ca. 9/2000):

Encoded with "Fastest", "Store" : OK
Encoded with "Best", "Fast", "Good","Normal" : FAILED (unknown method)

Note that Keikai provided these with the old style naming method - Mac users would still have to resort to manual renames to get even those encoding methods that work to work.

So, Gorunova was right - the "store" method is still compatible. Perhaps "fastest" amounts to the same thing.

All rather academic; I think anyone bound to read this is probably sticking to the old rar anyway because they already respect compatibility issues. Sigh.

Keikai wrote:

Alrighty, thats good to know regarding Linux support. Is that particular client open source?


Nope, binary. They also have a binary for FreeBSD.

-xo
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